+-+------------------------------------------------------------------------+ |S|---------[The Holy Bible © 1997-2000 Self-Induced Negativity]-----------| +-+---------------------[Your god can suck my cock!]-----------------------+ |I|-------------------------[By: Fucking Hostile]--------------------------| +-+--------------------[Released: December 20, 1999]-----------------------+ |N|-----------------------[http://www.sinnerz.com]-------------------------| +-+------------------------------------------------------------------------+ I have written before my thoughts on religion and the belief of God. This was several years ago and it was written rather quickly and poorly. So this text will just expand on some of my thoughts. I have been involved in several debates on religion with not Christians, Muslims, Hindus, and people who just believe in "some higher power." These debates for the most part go nowhere. No one will change how I feel, and the majority of theist fall back on the saying "God(s) can do anything." Which is a total cop-out but that is what they use. They do get quite frustrated if you happen to mention a logically-impossible to them. For example the Rock question(commonly used during debates): -If God can create a rock too heavy to lift, then he is not omnipotent because he cannot lift a certain rock. -If God cannot create a rock too heavy to lift, then he is not omnipotent because he is unable to create a certain rock. Is there an answer to this or other logically-impossible questions? Nope. Of course this is not convincing proof as explained better on other pages such as the Wasteland of Wonders(www.abarnett.demon.co.uk/atheism). But debates get even deeper then this and the theist continually attempt to talk their way around facts. A good debate to see an example of this is on our mailing list page in the archives. People often wonder why I am so vocal in my opposition to religion and the belief of any deity. That is easy, I think the world would be a better place with out religion. The personal belief of a God as not as damaging as organized religion, but I will go further into that later. Religion is easily the greatest evil in history and even today. Organized religion has been responsible for the greatest amount of death and hate. Think of the Crusades, the terrorist attacks by fundamentalist, the Inquisition, and the burning of people believed to be witches. This is somehting else I won't go into detail on because it can be found written even better at the URL I listed above. So, organized religion is bad, but what about the individuals belief in God/s? The problem with this, it blocks the ability for one to be completly rational and question different ideas. Many people who do no harm too others and don't belong to a religion don't questions things because of their personal belief in a deity. This is just bad for them right? Wrong. What if because of their lack of this simple ability to question things that are not fully understand society actually misses out? An example of this is Columbus and the world being round. While many people before Columbus knew the world was round(several of the ancient Greek philosphers), he is the one most notible for proving it. Let us suppose he believed the world was flat(which many people of the time established the belief from the bible and/or the Church). He would not have attempted to sail around the world had he not questioned the common belief. It is possible that the only people in America today would be the native americans who were already inhabiting the continent. That is just a small example, there are many more. The point is what if today someone who could possibly discover something that is good for the world is instead not not discovering anything because it causes him/her to question his belief. Another thing that really bothers me is that people who e-mail me and say "Oh, you just haven't seen the way of the lord." They think I never believed or never truly knew about God... yadda yadda. I went to a christian school when I was younger, I also attended Church frequently. I am a Christian turned atheist. The majorirty of Atheist are ones who used reason to come to their current positions of not believing ANY higher power, and at one time believed in some god without a doubt. You hear of many christians turned atheist, but you do not hear of many atheist turned christian. Why is it that a Church never reads the "evil" parts of the bible that are promoted by God? (The same can be asked for the evils of the Quron that many Muslims choose to ignore). Church is supposed to be a happy place where the christians gather and share in the joy of their belief... imagine the look on the faces of many adults and children when the bible passages telling of rape, murder, slavery, and hate all in the name of God. I bet many christian children would lose sleep if they knew that God was a frequent supporter of killing children. How would the wives feel when the passages are read telling of how they are inferior to their husbands? Don't believe these quotes exsist? Look them up on your own: http://www.continet.com/miller4/bibquo.htm This country was founded on people who wanted to get away from religion oppression, yet we have huge groups of christians who are threatening the freedom of all who don't believe the same as they do. I will say this, many people of different beliefs such as christianity and islam are cool people and don't try to force their beliefs on to others, but the largest group of people who do try force their beliefs is the Christians. If you don't like porn or bad language or whatever then FINE! That is your choice, but don't try to tell me what I can or can't indulge in. It is 3 AM so I am going to end this now, but I have a lot more on mind concerning theism, so maybe in another few years I will take the time to writre more on it.